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Historical manned and unmanned space flight programs.

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    no but spacewalking astronauts found a wrench jammed into the station,
    it was deformed by impact, lost from mir or something.
    it happened to hit a structural part of the station, if it had hit a
    few inches away it would of caused a big hole and lost pressure.
    call it what you want but its only a matter of time.

  • FWD: Early Space Shuttle agitprop
    ...And guess who's doing the narration in his *real* voice, too!
    [link]
    OM

  • FWD: A possible Von Braun inspiration film?
    [link]
    OM

  • FWD: A decent online copy of "The John Glenn Story"
    ...Ah, for the days when propaganda was fun, and the guy doing the
    voice-over had balls:
    [link]
    OM

  • Re: SR-71 Manuals on-line
    Paul,
    The 'download supporting materials' link on the AIAA website
    is password protected.
    Does becoming an AIAA member give one a working password for that?
    Dave

  • Re: Not too late for more Shuttle flights
    Well maybe. 2001 certainly was the kind of movie you'd probably only go to see
    once, unlike Star Wars episode IV.
    Well I read the book before seeing the movie and didn't have that problem.
    But my mom and sister, who went with me at the time, hadn't and they
    *definitely* had trouble with this movie.
    Maybe I should have been more explicit. This was (placing reverb control to

  • FWD: Lookee what I found
    ...And all while I was looking for a torrent for "The Cape" TV show:
    [link]
    (Someone forward this to Pat so he doesn't miss out.)
    OM

  • Convair "Super Hustler" Mach 4 bomber diagrams
    On eBay: [link]

  • Re: A kerosene-fueled X-33 as a single stage to orbit vehicle.
    The SpaceLaunchReport.com site operated by Ed Kyle provides the
    specifications of some launch vehicles. Here's the page for the Falcon
    1:
    Space Launch Report: SpaceX Falcon Data Sheet.
    [link]
    Quite interesting is that the total mass and dry mass values for the
    Falcon 1 first stage with Merlin 1C engine give a mass ratio of about

  • Re: You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas?
    I wonder how the attractiveness of the servant or even the fact that she
    was female added to the story.

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    Well, we haven't rammed it with the Shuttle yet. ;-)
    Pat

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    Good article, I stuck that one in my favorites folder.
    The concept reminds me somewhat of the Chobham armor used on modern tanks.
    Pat

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    Even that is going to make one hell of a bang when it hits, if it's
    something falling into Earth's gravity well rather than something in orbit.
    The one thing you wouldn't want to hit in orbit is part of one of the
    Israeli satellites that are launched into retrograde orbits, so your
    impact speed could be up to around 36,000 mph.

  • Re: Not too late for more Shuttle flights
    What's odd about Discovery is that it's perfectly designed to generate
    artificial gravity by spinning the whole ship around the center section
    where the communication system is (as is shown in 2010) but it doesn't
    do that. The reason Discovery looks the way it does in the 2001 isn't
    about science, it's to resemble the skull and spinal column of an animal

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  • Re: Solar-pumped laser power transmission, a way to dramatically decrease launch costs?
    Freddie works for those in charge, and his job of topic/author
    stalking and traumatizing folks like yourself isn't over until that
    fat lady sings.
    Actually, you're the best public fly-by-rocket wizard we got, that's
    willing to dig in and share instead of always holding critical
    information back, not that you are always exactly right about

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    NASA seems hell-bent on duplicating every near-disaster MIR had.

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    Keep in mind too that "outer shell" is a Whipple shield which will
    dissappate a lot of the damage.
    while trying to remember if it was Whipple or something else, I came across:
    [link]

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    In message
    > "With regard to the International Space Station, the above article also
    > points that the ISS "has armor to protect it against stuff as much as
    > an inch across." So it sounds like the risk to the ISS is pretty
    > close to zero since meteors are usually much less than an inch across."

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    Nah, more likely someone confused units. The real limit is 1 cm, not 1 inch.

  • Re: Not too late for more Shuttle flights
    This is a quirk that I think helps authenticate the movie. Of course you'd
    start out with a paper design that places it squarely on the equator only to
    discover later you have to move it to make way for lab space, or other gear
    that for one reason or another has to be close to the command module. So you

  • Re: Solar-pumped laser power transmission, a way to dramatically decrease launch costs?
    Right, NASA removed it. I have a copy to send to anyone who would
    care to write for it via e-mail.
    Not in the least.
    You are lying and making stuff up Freddie. I've said repeatedly that
    the work that Penn State and OSU and Phillips lab on micro fission
    radically reduces radioactive footprint by creating tiny fissile

  • Re: Solar-pumped laser power transmission, a way to dramatically decrease launch costs?
    Not at all. If you took the course at MIT on aerospace costing and
    analysis which I referenced at the beginning you'd see you were wrong.
    What are you talking about now?
    Anyone who is expert in the field knows that the first Mars mission
    was Operation Mars by vonBraun back in 1948 and that there are

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    It would be fun to figure out how much total energy would be released in
    a impact like that, assuming the impactor was rock or nickel-iron.
    I got my little tektite off the shelf, and that's about an inch in size,
    and weighs in at 1/4 ounce, or 110 grains.
    Using this bullet impact energy calculator:

  • Re: You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas?
    On the other
    Thales just laughed as he had been getting a great view up her dress
    from down there in the ditch.
    Pat

  • Re: The Buzz Bus as A Cloud
    I've found an illustration of the Buzz Bus:
    [link]
    Pat

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    Sooner or later, something is bound to hit something that's manned in
    orbit with enough force to punch a hole in it, as there have been lots
    of space impacts of smaller sizes on stations and shuttles already.
    Although we can maneuver the ISS out of the way of debris we can track,
    or known small debris clouds in orbit, the same can't be said for

  • Re: Not too late for more Shuttle flights
    The amount of air used for a given population remains the same no matter
    what the size of the thing they are housed in.
    You could probably make a argument regarding the amount of acreage
    required for plants to replenish the oxygen and produce food, but those
    could also be grown in hydroponic decks as well as in the open.

  • Re: You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas?
    On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:30:58 -0600, "Jorge R. Frank"
    [THREADPLONK]
    ...Agreed. Not even worth flaming back.
    OM

  • Re: You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas?
    bigflet...@gmail.com wrote
    Why dont you go and fuck yourself, again.

  • Re: You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas?
    I get the feeling I was late to the party but didn't really miss anything.
    These types of threads I usually just KF. This one goes in the KF right
    after I hit send on this reply.

  • Re: Solar-pumped laser power transmission, a way to dramatically decrease launch costs?
    Except there is no Section 6 in the document you are actually able to
    produce. In addition, the 'points' you keep ignoring are little
    things like adjusting for inflation, adjusting for typical
    underestimation of complex systems, adjusting for the slight problem
    of having to get a nuclear pulse system up high before you're allowed

  • Re: Bigelow hunting for astronauts.
    As implied, I think we each have excellent CV's that perfectly match the
    opportunity at hand...
    ;-)
    Dave

  • Re: You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas?
    Anyone else get the feeling you're late to this party?
    Excessive cross-posts elided....
    Dave

  • Re: The Buzz Bus as A Cloud
    Only if you start suggesting that by that name you were implying it also be
    painted in psychedelic colors, with a big 'peace sign' American flag on the
    side and the atmosphere contain a significant percentage of THC.
    When visiting the Buzz Bus be sure to stop by the gift shop for great deals on
    'Buzz Bus - Looner High'(tm)* merchandise.

  • Re: You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas?
    Why dont you get together and record "Me And My Shadow"..
    BOfL

  • Re: You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas?
    Stoppit at once. That sort of thing inevitably
    produces tears before bed time, stupid.
    Nope.

  • Re: Solar-pumped laser power transmission, a way to dramatically decrease launch costs?
    And so we see that Mookie thinks his ability to do simple arithmetic
    trumps experts in the field.
    And you still used a 10% mass fraction on a propulsion system that
    should be under 8%. You still used your preposterous 'equal delta V
    per stage' assumption to calculate stage size. You still ignored air

  • Re: ISS till 2028?
    No, we were leaving that fear-mongering to you.

  • You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas?
    Just wondering what that was. Is it some kind of stereotype used to
    derogate people who know more than others?
    ---------------------------
    It is interesting that Thales has both stories told about his great
    practical skills and also about him being an unworldly dreamer.
    Aristotle, for example, relates a story of how Thales used his skills

  • Re: Solar-pumped laser power transmission, a way to dramatically decrease launch costs?
    I guess some folks just like to hear the sound of their own
    keyboards...


  • Re: The Buzz Bus as A Cloud
    Oh, great, now he's going to know I came up with that name for it, and
    punch me out too. ;-)
    Well, as long as I'm at it, "Buzz Aldrin - Rocket Hero" products could
    be replaced with the "Looner Buzz" line of merchandise.
    Pat

  • Re: Bigelow hunting for astronauts.
    Well, you can try...(now I have this image of doctors removing
    multicolored wooden sticks from your skin.)
    I'll rely on my experiance of hitting my head on the overhead I-beam in
    the basement in my low-gravity simulator harness.
    I think Bigelow is getting a bit ahead of themselves though in asking

  • Re: Not too late for more Shuttle flights
    No, it would be spun up and down to change the biological samples that
    were being tested; spin-up could take anywhere from a minute to an hour,
    and g range was .01 to 2.0.
    The spinning rotor weighed 1,875 kg, so you can see why they were
    concerned about it getting a little out of balance. How exactly the

  • Re: Not too late for more Shuttle flights
    There may be a lot of unused volume, but is it really wasted ? Wouldn't
    such a colomy require a fair amount of spare atmosphere ?
    And remember that while a relatively small portion had empty space in
    the core, the ends had substandtial structures used for spacecraft
    parking. So not all of the core was unused.

  • Re: SR-71 Manuals on-line
    That's why the name rang a bell!
    Oh, this is the one Scott Lowther has been posting the pre-A-12 designs
    on his blog from.
    Boy, did they come up with some weird ideas, especially those odd delta
    things with the giant vertical fins:
    [link]
    That thing looks downright "Luft 46". :-)

  • Re: Not too late for more Shuttle flights
    That's a good point, and the airflow patterns in something like that
    (basically a Island Three Lagrange colony) would be pretty strange
    especially as you got near ground level and buildings and what-not
    started affecting the airflow around them.
    The atmosphere itself has mass which will resist it picking up speed due

  • The Buzz Bus as A Cloud
    My suggestion of spinning the Buzz bus for artifical gravity and using a
    co-orbiting non-spinning comm sat for high gain dish antenna fine alignment
    to Earth made me stop and think.
    Would there be other advantages to this type of modular approach to the
    Cycler? Maybe instead of a single vehicle, the cycler consists of several

  • Re: Bigelow hunting for astronauts.
    I suppose jumping off my roof with a hang glider built out of tinkertoys
    and a bedsheet would not count as 'flight experience'?
    Dave

  • Re: Not too late for more Shuttle flights
    Sorry, mixing too much together. Yes to your first question. No to the ISS
    module and yes to the free flyer. But attaching a spinning centrifuge to the
    ISS of any sizeable mass scares the hell out of me! Is the plan to keep it
    spinning all the time?
    At what g along the rim? Can you shrink it if you spin it slower and go for